Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown on Thursday told the San Francisco Chronicle that convicted felon former President Trump simply made up the story he told about them being on a helicopter together that nearly crashed. “I went down in a helicopter with him. We thought maybe this was the end. We were in a helicopter going to a certain location together, and there was an emergency landing. This was not a pleasant landing,” Trump said at Mar-a-Lago while claiming Brown had also told him “terrible things” about former girlfriend, now-Vice President Kamala Harris.

“You would have known if I had gone down on a helicopter with Trump. I’ve never been on a helicopter with Trump,” said Brown, adding that, though he did once have an emergency landing while on a helicopter ride, Trump was not on board. So that was either a lie or delusional ramblings.

On Trump’s claims of Brown badmouthing Harris, the former mayor said “It’s just as accurate as all of the other components of what you’re asking me about… Not accurate at all… I wouldn’t say anything bad about any woman to him. I would know better. It might encourage him to take a (verbal) shot.”

Brown, who did once fly on Trump’s plane – without Trump on it – told the Chronicle that he hasn’t spoken to Harris in three or four years and he “can’t understand what Trump has been doing” since Joe Biden “outmaneuvered everybody and put Kamala Harris in a position to make history.”